Comments on: Mahjong Log #5 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/ What's next? Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:44:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Psieye http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Psieye Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:02:01 +0000 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/#comment-35 Yeah see, reason I was confused with your South 1 hand was you had a mid-game discard of 6man - when you know you're going for Hon Itsu you generally don't ever discard a tile from that suit (unless you're going for some super bluff deception or such). Main reason being, Furiten dodging. When you restrict your winning tiles down to just one suit, it's very easy to end up in Furiten because you tossed something away earlier. Single suit waits can be multiple tiles if you build your hand right. The way you split your hand for the photo doesn't make much sense - if you'd kept your 6man discard from before you'd have had 345566, a pretty decent foundation for a multiple wait scenario. Sure, you'd have had to discard your Dora tiles but that's often a painful reality of Hon Itsu. Ah well, you had one of those "I'm just not getting tiles of this suit" bad luck moments when you went for Hon Itsu there. Happens at times. ------ On a separate note, I see you're betting your libido on 1v1 Mahjong. How are you progressing? Yeah see, reason I was confused with your South 1 hand was you had a mid-game discard of 6man – when you know you’re going for Hon Itsu you generally don’t ever discard a tile from that suit (unless you’re going for some super bluff deception or such). Main reason being, Furiten dodging. When you restrict your winning tiles down to just one suit, it’s very easy to end up in Furiten because you tossed something away earlier. Single suit waits can be multiple tiles if you build your hand right.

The way you split your hand for the photo doesn’t make much sense – if you’d kept your 6man discard from before you’d have had 345566, a pretty decent foundation for a multiple wait scenario. Sure, you’d have had to discard your Dora tiles but that’s often a painful reality of Hon Itsu.

Ah well, you had one of those “I’m just not getting tiles of this suit” bad luck moments when you went for Hon Itsu there. Happens at times.

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On a separate note, I see you’re betting your libido on 1v1 Mahjong. How are you progressing?

]]> By: Caleb http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Caleb Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:08:45 +0000 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/#comment-34 What was I trying to do in south 1? Hon Itsu, punks! I split up my tiles for the picture to show that I had my lone pair and my pon of north tiles as the extra bit, and I was waiting for a 2-man and an 8-man. A tough wait, yeah, but it's no fun if there's no risk. But yeah, once I'd fallen for the shiny pon in south 2-2, I'd lost my chance for a proper Hon Itsu there, too. On a side note, I was reminded that it's much easier to chi when you're playing against one other person instead of three. ^.^;;;; What was I trying to do in south 1? Hon Itsu, punks! I split up my tiles for the picture to show that I had my lone pair and my pon of north tiles as the extra bit, and I was waiting for a 2-man and an 8-man. A tough wait, yeah, but it’s no fun if there’s no risk. But yeah, once I’d fallen for the shiny pon in south 2-2, I’d lost my chance for a proper Hon Itsu there, too. On a side note, I was reminded that it’s much easier to chi when you’re playing against one other person instead of three. ^.^;;;;

]]> By: Rukaroa http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Rukaroa Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:00:36 +0000 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/#comment-33 Updated the post with recalculations based on the pictures and wins. Updated the post with recalculations based on the pictures and wins.

]]> By: Psieye http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Psieye Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:40:48 +0000 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/#comment-32 East 1 Psi: woo, good dodge of Josh's hand in East 1 East 2 Psi: Josh... seems to have been aiming at a Chanta. Well... not a bad choice but perhaps I-Pe-Ko would have been a nice alternative if he could get it. Then he can aim for Riichi and all the other closed hand things East 4 Psi: Kyle's hand... no comment. The hand just is a mess from my view Ruka: He does that a lot Psi: yeah, that was not a hand with which to keep all your word tiles for South 1 Psi: uh... what was Caleb assembling anyway in South 1? Ruka: Probably anything he could get his hands on Psi: that looks more like he's just picking up all the Dora tiles with no plan whatsoever... and he Pon'd on North... which doesn't help him at all. Well... if he had the guts to toss away all his Dora tiles, then it'd be Hon Itsu (1 suit) South 2 Psi: Kyle reminds me of my early days, when Toi Toi was the only thing I could think of. Well, it IS one of the basic hands afterall and easy to think about Ruka: It's not that hard to get either Psi: yeah, and you can always fall back on 7 pairs if it doens't work out South 2-2 Psi: uhhhhhhhhhhh what was Caleb up to in South 2-2? Ruka: Originally, a flush, but then he ponned the 9-man from me and messed up his hand Psi: alternatively, he could have tossed away all his... wait that really is a messed up hand - he'd discarded his 7 and 8 man Ruka: Yup. Shiny dora trapped him Psi: Ah but of course... the ever present Dora temptation, though he could have recovered from being tempted as that was his 2nd call. But that would have required tossing away all his 9man and his 1man Ruka: So he only really had two chances of winning Psi: well, could very well have been Hon Itsu as well. Yeah - either he'd go for Tan Yao, or go for Hon Itsu with Ikki Tsukkan (123456789 of one suit) as an added bonus Psi: woo, and Kyle somehow stumbles on a hand where he could have formed a straight to finish. Hmm... slightly confusing how he arranged those tiles, but he could have won with... 8man, 5man, 2 pin. Not sure if he realised that South 2-3 Psi: Hell Waits aren't as bad as one might think actually - in reference to your comment in South 2-3 Ruka: I just feel a little uncomfortable about them personally Psi: though it's most effective when you're waiting to complete your pair - 2 discarded, 1 in your hand, the last somewhere out there. It's actually pretty effective - because psychologically who would keep the 3rd tile when the first 2 are out? Though... this applies much more to the Word tiles than regular tiles. Ruka: Heh. I try that once in a while, but it can backfire if it's stuck in the dead wall Psi: besides, during the game you ca'nt tell whether a tile is in someone's hand or the wall Ruka: Until near the end Psi: and yeah - that's natural. Is luck of course, but waiting on tiles that are in other people's discard pools ain't a bad strategy Ruka: Not at all South 3 Psi: yeah... condolences on being directly hit by a Dealer Mangan just before the game ended. And yeah, that right there was a Hell Wait for Josh, because he needed that Hatsu to win East 1
Psi: woo, good dodge of Josh’s hand in East 1

East 2
Psi: Josh… seems to have been aiming at a Chanta. Well… not a bad choice but perhaps I-Pe-Ko would have been a nice alternative if he could get it. Then he can aim for Riichi and all the other closed hand things

East 4
Psi: Kyle’s hand… no comment. The hand just is a mess from my view
Ruka: He does that a lot
Psi: yeah, that was not a hand with which to keep all your word tiles for

South 1
Psi: uh… what was Caleb assembling anyway in South 1?
Ruka: Probably anything he could get his hands on
Psi: that looks more like he’s just picking up all the Dora tiles with no plan whatsoever… and he Pon’d on North… which doesn’t help him at all. Well… if he had the guts to toss away all his Dora tiles, then it’d be Hon Itsu (1 suit)

South 2
Psi: Kyle reminds me of my early days, when Toi Toi was the only thing I could think of. Well, it IS one of the basic hands afterall and easy to think about
Ruka: It’s not that hard to get either
Psi: yeah, and you can always fall back on 7 pairs if it doens’t work out

South 2-2
Psi: uhhhhhhhhhhh what was Caleb up to in South 2-2?
Ruka: Originally, a flush, but then he ponned the 9-man from me and messed up his hand
Psi: alternatively, he could have tossed away all his… wait that really is a messed up hand – he’d discarded his 7 and 8 man
Ruka: Yup. Shiny dora trapped him
Psi: Ah but of course… the ever present Dora temptation, though he could have recovered from being tempted as that was his 2nd call. But that would have required tossing away all his 9man and his 1man
Ruka: So he only really had two chances of winning
Psi: well, could very well have been Hon Itsu as well. Yeah – either he’d go for Tan Yao, or go for Hon Itsu with Ikki Tsukkan (123456789 of one suit) as an added bonus

Psi: woo, and Kyle somehow stumbles on a hand where he could have formed a straight to finish. Hmm… slightly confusing how he arranged those tiles, but he could have won with… 8man, 5man, 2 pin. Not sure if he realised that

South 2-3
Psi: Hell Waits aren’t as bad as one might think actually – in reference to your comment in South 2-3
Ruka: I just feel a little uncomfortable about them personally
Psi: though it’s most effective when you’re waiting to complete your pair – 2 discarded, 1 in your hand, the last somewhere out there. It’s actually pretty effective – because psychologically who would keep the 3rd tile when the first 2 are out? Though… this applies much more to the Word tiles than regular tiles.
Ruka: Heh. I try that once in a while, but it can backfire if it’s stuck in the dead wall
Psi: besides, during the game you ca’nt tell whether a tile is in someone’s hand or the wall
Ruka: Until near the end
Psi: and yeah – that’s natural. Is luck of course, but waiting on tiles that are in other people’s discard pools ain’t a bad strategy
Ruka: Not at all

South 3
Psi: yeah… condolences on being directly hit by a Dealer Mangan just before the game ended. And yeah, that right there was a Hell Wait for Josh, because he needed that Hatsu to win

]]> By: Wong http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Wong Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:25:43 +0000 http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/03/01/mahjong-log-5/#comment-31 I love that comic. I love that comic.

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